This is a partial transcript from Hannity & Colmes, August, 13 2003 that has been edited for clarity.

August 13: Michael Schiavo Wants To Remove His Wife From Life Support, And Her
Family Is Giving Him The Fight Of Their Life



ALAN COLMES, HOST: Terry Schindler Schiavo suffered brain damage more than a decade ago and a Florida court has ruled that she is in a persistent vegetative state (search).

Her husband Michael wants her removed from life support, but her parents have been fighting for years to keep that from happening. The Florida appeals court has ruled against the parents. They're now trying to convince the Florida Supreme Court (search) to hear a final appeal.

We'll hear from Michael Schiavo's attorney in a few minutes. First, joining us now is Terry's father, Robert Schindler, also Terry's sister, Susan Carr.

We thank you both very much for being with us.

ROBERT SCHINDLER, FATHER OF TERRY SCHIAVO: Thank you.

COLMES: Mr. Schindler, let me go to you first. Why are you opposing Michael's wishes on this, who claims, I guess, that what he is doing is in his wife's�would be in her wishes.

SCHINDLER: Well, actually, they're not Terry's wishes. They're fabricated wishes. The bulk of her family and her friends have come out and said Terry never ever made these type of wishes.

And the court decision was predicated on him saying that Terry did these wishes and his brother and his sister-in-law. So they're really bogus wishes.

COLMES: Why would he be making these bogus claims?

SCHINDLER: Well, there was a motivation initially that there was an award of close to $1.6 million that was put in Terry's medical trust fund. And if Terry would have died, he inherits all that money.

COLMES: You're claiming he's doing this for crass financial reasons? That is his sole motivation? Doesn't care about the well-being of his wife and is purely in this to get money?

SCHINDLER: Well, the videos that you're looking at now and I saw on your screen depicts a girl that's been totally abandoned for the past 12 years. And that's what happens when someone has brain damage and they're not treated. And Terry's never been treated. The past three years she's been in solitary confinement.

COLMES: Susan, let me bring you in here. You know that a court has ruled and a panel in addition to that court, I guess, has ruled that, you know, they've done everything they could do and that they don't feel�a judge ruled that there would be additional medical treatment that could help.

How do you respond to what the court said about this?

SUSAN CARR, SISTER ON LIFE SUPPORT: Well, you know, we have more than 13 doctors that have come on affidavits that say that Terry can be helped. And the courts have ignored that. And other evidence that shows that Terry is not in the condition that has been misrepresented.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: All right. Let me go to both of you here. And I'm very sorry that this has happened. It's a tragic situation.

If the Florida appeals court ruled against you, Robert, correct, as we've been saying.

SCHINDLER: That's correct.

HANNITY: And you're trying to convince the Florida Supreme Court. I want to show this video. This is the balloon video, and you're saying this proves that she's following the balloon and that this proves that she's alive. She's aware. She's conscious, isn't that what�the case you're making?

SCHINDLER: What the balloon does, Terry, when we visit her. I mean, she just beams like a Christmas tree. And she interacts with us. She's trying to talk. We have a speech pathologist that's on record saying she's trying to talk. And it seems everybody can see that Terry is reacting, with the exception of the court system.

HANNITY: Yes. Let me show another video here. Because I think this is very important. I mean, why aren't they�you know, let's go on the side of caution here. I want to show the tape of your mom, and this is it here. This is your mother and she's obviously. I've seen this video. Seems to me she's obviously reacting to her here.

SCHINDLER: Well, when she sees her mother. There's just a distinct look of pleasure comes on her face. And then she'll start�she tries to talk. And it's incredible. I mean, she's actually trying to communicate.

HANNITY: Susan�go ahead.

SCHINDLER: No, I say, unfortunately, she hasn't had any kind of therapy. She hasn't been helped. And that's the end product of someone that's been abandoned for all those years. It's just tragic.

HANNITY: Susan, do you think they're trying to kill your sister?

CARR: Absolutely. You know, Terry is merely a disabled woman that needs aggressive therapy to get better. Keep in mind, Terry could be here today, she could be sitting next to me. She doesn't have to stay in that room.

HANNITY: And you think it's for money?

CARR: Well, I mean, initially the motivation was money, but I don't know how much money is left since most of it has gone to his attorney.

COLMES: We wish her well. We hope that this has a happy ending. We thank you both very much for being with us.

SCHINDLER: No problem.

COLMES: Robert Schindler, Susan Carr, thank you.

HANNITY: Joining us now for the other side of this story, Michael Schiavo's attorney, author of Litigation: A Spiritual Practice. George Felos is with us.

George, well, you heard everything that was just head said here. When I look at that video, I see life in that woman.

GEORGE FELOS, MICHAEL SCHIAVO'S ATTORNEY: Well, Terry Schiavo is alive. There's absolutely no doubt about that.

She's in a vegetative condition, which means she has sleep cycles, she has wake cycles. Her body can respond to the environment, but she has no consciousness. And that's not me saying this. We've had two trials over 5 1/2 years of litigation, a trial judge and panels of appellate court that said the same thing.

HANNITY: All right. If that's the case and he doesn't want this to happen, and he wants to be done with this in the sense that he wants to pull off the life support. And the parents and the sister want it, why wouldn't he at least give them that wish and if they want to take care of her now and they want to take over the medical care of her, why can't they just say, �OK, this is important to you, I disagree but if it's important to you, it's your daughter. It's your sister, I loved her once. Let me give her to you.�

Why doesn't he just have the graciousness to do that for them?

FELOS: He didn't love her once, he loves her now. And the thing is this case is not about the parents' wishes or the husband's wishes. It's about Terry's wish. She has the right, even though she's incapacitated, to make her own treatment decisions.

HANNITY: But do you have any evidence she wanted this?

FELOS: Terry Schiavo said if she ever had to be dependent on the care of others, she wouldn't want to remain.

HANNITY: Did she say it in writing?

FELOS: Not in writing. She said, �No tubes for me.� She said, �I don't want to stay alive artificially.� But that's not me saying that. The court found that those were her wishes by clear and convincing evidence.

COLMES: It's Alan Colmes. Let me ask you about the charges that your client is in this for the money. You heard that charge being made just a few moments ago. Can you address that, please?

FELOS: It's just preposterous. When there was money, my client offered to donate it to charity to end this case. And there is no money. My client won't receive a penny as a result of Terry's death.

I mean, he has been in this case because he's a husband who said to his wife when his wife said, �Honey, please don't let me live that way, promise me,� he's been keeping his promise. And at a great price.

COLMES: Well, the parents are saying that those were not her wishes. Her parents are saying that it's not what she wanted. So how do you prove that it was?

FELOS: Well, that's what we have courts for and that's what we have trials. We had an independent person, a judge, listen to our witnesses, listen to their witnesses, and this is the judge's conclusion.

The Schindlers have had an opportunity to present their doctors and we've presented our doctors. And the courts found beyond any doubt whatsoever that Terry is in a vegetative state.

COLMES: Why not err on the side of life and on the side of the possibility that some miracle could take place?

FELOS: Well, I'm all in favor of miracles but if you take the position that a miracle could take place at anytime then everyone would have to be hooked up to life support and medical treatment against their wishes.

COLMES: But if the family, like the parents, are willing to support her, are willing to take care of her, and you never know what can happen, stranger things have happened, why not err on that side, the side of life over death?

FELOS: Because we have a right to refuse medical treatment. Just because there's a treatment out there that can be applied to us, it doesn't mean we have to have it.

And this case is not about her parent�s ideology. They may want it for themselves, but that's not what Terry wanted. And we have a duty and her husband has a duty to have these wishes carried out.

HANNITY: All right. Well, I find myself in agreement with Alan. Err on the side of life in this particular case. Appreciate you being with us. Thank you for your time.

FELOS: Or condemn somebody to a life that they chose not to live.

HANNITY: You never know. Miracles can happen. I mean, I believe in them. Thank you, Mr. Felos.

"Do right and risk the consequences" Bob Enyart

From a friend of Terri Schiavo:
10/14/03


Terri Schindler-Schiavo, age 39, will have her feeding tube removed at 2PM on Wednesday, October 15, unless Florida Governor Jeb Bush is persuaded to intervene.

Terri Schindler-Schiavo, although disabled, is not in a coma. She is not in a vegetative state. She laughs, and cries, she says yes and no. She has clearly communicated that she does not want to be starved to death.

Yesterday, at 12 noon, Terri's family and friends began a 24-hour-a-day vigil outside the Woodside Hospice where Terri lives in Florida. The vigil will continue until Terri is rescued by Governor Bush, or starved to death.

Bob & Mary Schindler have said, "We love our daughter very much and we want her home. Over the last 13 years, Terri has laughed with us, cried with us, talked with us, and even tried to get out of her chair. The accusations that Terri is in a coma or is a "vegetable" are a lie. We beg Michael Schiavo, and those working with him to end our daughter's life, to let her come home to her family. We will sign any agreement you want, giving you all monies related to Terri's collapse and any insurance money that may be forthcoming. You take the money. We just want our daughter."

Details on Terri Schindler-Schiavo and her fight to stay alive is available online at www.terrisfight.org.

or see the gGateway Homepgae: www.gateway.org

From Dean friends at LEARN:
CBR friends,

We finally received some more updates on Pastor Johnny Hunter. Thank you for your prayers on his behalf. He is home recuperating from his coronary artery bypass surgery, as you'll read below. God is gracious.

Lois



Center for Bio-Ethical Reform

P.O. Box 2339

Santa Fe Springs, CA 90670

(562) 777-9117

www.AbortionNO.org


-----Original Message-----
From: DougConnie@aol.com [mailto:DougConnie@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 12:04 AM
To: DougConnie@aol.com
Subject: Recent Updates on Rev. Johnny Hunter

Sorry to all that I have not forwarded these lately. After his six-bypass heart surgery, Rev. Hunter is home and God continues to work a miracle of healing! I called Sis. Pat Hunter a few days ago and Rev. Johnny actually got on the phone, too! Praise Jesus for His mercy!
By the way, Bill & Pirkle O'Clock, from Massachusetts, are the ones who've been sending out these updates. They are in St. Louis today (Mon 10/13/2003) for the LEARN Say So! Rally. I hope you can make it to the march or rally or both, even though I realize some of you are out of town and cannot. How we miss the LEARN founder, Rev. Johnny Hunter, as he recuperates, but we know his prayers are with us.
--Connie Eller in St. Louis, Mo. (cell phone 314-398-2161)

P.S.: Rev. Rob Schenk sent out a letter asking anyone who can contribute financially to the Hunter's to prayerful please consider doing so at this time. Thanks and God bless!

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Subj: Dr. Hunter - update
Date: 10/10/2003 8:31:26 PM Central Daylight Time
From: wearetime@juno.com
To: wearetime@juno.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)

Dear Faithful Ones,
The news is good about Pastor Johnny's blood pressure - new medication
seems to be bringing it under control - praise God! He was able to walk
outdoors for a few minutes today for the first time. Please keep his
wife Pat in prayer, as the problem in her feet has worsened, and she has
put off seeing the doctor till her husband is stronger. It appears to be
a nerve problem and the pain is worse at night than daytime, especially
in the soles of her feet.

Thanks so much for persevering in seeking the Lord on behalf of the
Hunters.
In His grace,
Bill & Pirkko
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Subj: Dr. Hunter- update
Date: 10/06/2003 8:43:09 PM Central Daylight Time
From: wearetime@juno.com
To: wearetime@juno.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)

Dear Faithful Friends,
Praise the Lord, the swelling in Dr. Hunter's leg has gone down a lot!
He is still needing prayer for the very high blood pressure. He is
feeling pretty well, walking better on his own, though his appetite is
not very good yet. We've been advised to pray specifically also for the
vein grafts to stay open.

Another praise Pat Hunter mentioned is that their church is going to
supply them a good computer. Theirs have hardly been functioning for a
while now.

By the way, Pastor Johnny's birthday is Oct. 25, so if you'd like to send
him a greeting, here's the address:
PO Box 273, Fayetteville, NC 28302.

Thanks so much for your continued prayers and concern,
May the Lord richly bless you,
Bill & Pirkko

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Subj: Dr. Hunter - prayer needs
Date: 10/04/2003 10:18:46 AM Central Daylight Time
From: wearetime@juno.com
To: wearetime@juno.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)

Dear Ones,
Pastor Johnny Hunter is currently experiencing increased blood pressure
and a very swollen left leg, and asks for continued prayer for total
healing. He and Pat are so thankful for the ongoing prayer and for each
of you who care.

In the awesome name of Jesus Christ,
Bill & Pirkko

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Subj: Update - Dr. Hunter
Date: 10/01/2003 5:22:55 PM Central Daylight Time
From: wearetime@juno.com
To: wearetime@juno.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)

Dear Ones,
Pastor Johnny Hunter is truly blessed by everyone's concern and time spent praying on his behalf. He was able to leave the hospital on Monday, 9/29, and is comfortably resting at home, praise the Lord! On the weekend it was discovered that he had fluid in his left lung, and after almost one liter was drained from it, he said he felt like a new man. His wife Pat was thrilled that a couple of their friends paid for their house to be cleaned before her husband returned home. It was such a blessing, and the Lord is so good!

Thanks to all for your continuing faithful prayers for full return of health and strength.

In the grace of Jesus,
Bill & Pirkko
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Subj: Dr. Hunter - good report!
Date: 09/27/2003 6:43:52 PM Central Daylight Time
From: wearetime@juno.com
To: wearetime@juno.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)

Dear Praying Friends,
Thanks to our faithful God answering all our prayers, Dr. Johnny Hunter
continues to recover well. He's walking, talking, has a good appetite,
is off the blood pressure medication, and feels better each day. He may
be able to go home tomorrow (Sun. 9/28)! He says God answers prayer and
give Him praise! The Hunters so appreciate your continued prayers as
Pastor Johnny continues on the road to full health in the strength of the
Lord.

in His grace,
Bill & Pirkko

Please pray!!

"A client of Marisol's "Maria" , age 33, real name was abortion minded
carried to term and just birthed a precious baby boy.

She has five children, her husband just left her about a week ago - partly because he hasn't a job and may feel like he cannot provide for his family and just sort of ran
away...

Marisol is going to take herand the children to church.

Pray for her salvation and that the Lord will provide for this family - for work
for Maria she is not a citizen and for her husband to return and trust in the Lord for work for him as well... We are helping her with any and all baby things"

Prayer request from Carol Wolf, a Gateway counselor in Elizabeth, NJ

1. Carol's 5 year old granddaughter, Kimberly, is in St. Barnabas Hospital, Livingston, NJ, suffering from pneumonia

2. Carol's son, Dan, fell at work and injured his back

Please pray for a quick recovery for both.

�It�s Come To This?�

No, Gateway is not �going out of business�. No, we�re not in deep trouble and if you don�t help all is not lost. God is blessing the ministry. Women are being saved. Babies are coming into the world, saved from abortion. You�ll hear about all of this in a few days at the October 9th. Stewardship Banquet.

But..there is a real need. To not share that need would not be right. Since we look to the Lord to provide, we trust Him for our financial need.

As of today we are about $22,000 behind in our budget. While many ministries have very large budgets, Gateways is about $140,000 yearly.

We are not attributing the shortfall to �post 9-11�, to the economy, or any other specific. We simply see that there�s a shortfall.

We are asking our friends to consider giving a Special Gift to offset this shortfall at this years Banquet. If you will be attending the Banquet, would you prayerfully consider giving the largest gift possible for this need? If you cannot make the Banquet, would you still consider this request at this time?

It�s come to this. God remains faithful. He will provide. We�ll believe He�ll use God�s people to meet a very real need. ** Thank you for listening,

Rev. Dean Gavaris, Executive Director

** �And my God will supply all your needs according to His riches in glory
in Christ Jesus.� Philippians 4:19